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<\/a>Scott Joerger, on , said:<\/p>

\nHOWEVER this raises an interesting point. If Great Oak was in any region besides California, they could potentially send 2 teams to NXN, couldn't they? I don't think that's against the NXN rules is it? Watchout do you know?
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\nI don't see anything in the rules definitively preventing such a scenario.
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\nhttp:\/\/www.runnerspa...265&page_id=472<\/a>
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\nTheoretically, a h.s. could split their team into different "clubs" - and could enter as such. If a regional race put both teams in the seeded race, it could happen - however unlikely.
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\nThough I'm sure that once it happened, Nike would put a stop to the practice.","date_added":"Oct 3rd 2014, 3:20am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287143,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"GeorgieTheK","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43639","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/GeorgieTheK.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1073375"},"1134168":{"pb_id":"4588","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1134168","comment_id":"1134168","member_id":"4588","comment":"

<\/a>mpflughoft1, on , said:<\/p>

\nCapistrano Valley is ranked 16th and the Great Oak B team just beat them handily last Saturday at the Dana Hills Invitational. I think the California CIF needs to re-think the limitation of only one team per school to qualify for the CIF championships. The best teams should be allowed to compete and individuals not punished for attending a school too deep to allow them to showcase their deserving talents.
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\nMaybe USA and Jamaica should field multiple relays teams in the olympics? Maybe USA Basketball should field a second team in the olympics - maybe we can go 1-2! I'm joking of course - I think it should remain one country (And one school) get's one team.
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\nThere's a similar argument that crops up every year for XC representation in the CA State Championships. Some of the stronger sections (Southern Section in particular) leave many capable teams home while teams which aren't as strong travel to the state finals from other sections. Why is this? - each region gets to send their best to represent them at state finals. Similarly, each school gets to send their 7 best to see how far they can go in CIF.
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\nHOWEVER this raises an interesting point. If Great Oak was in any region besides California, they could potentially send 2 teams to NXN, couldn't they? I don't think that's against the NXN rules is it? Watchout do you know?
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\n...but since California teams qualify via the CIF State Finals, there is not possibility for this for Great Oak.
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\nWhat Great Oak is doing depth-wise is INCREDIBLE and I have nothing but admiration for them. Best of luck with the rest of the season.","date_added":"Oct 3rd 2014, 3:03am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":{"wally_id":"388","email_settings":"8191","email":"scott.joerger@gmail.com","address":"ScottJoerger","gender":"m","member_id":"4588","member_name":"Scott Joerger","avatar_location":"av-4588.jpg","avatar_type":"upload","avatar":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-4588.jpg"},"can_delete":false,"item_id":287143,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-4588.jpg","pb_title":"Scott Joerger","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=4588","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/ScottJoerger.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"388"},"1134107":{"pb_id":"43639","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1134107","comment_id":"1134107","member_id":"43639","comment":"

<\/a>mpflughoft1, on , said:<\/p>

\n Bottom line, 7 other kids that can't help they live in a certain school district that are just as much part of their team and proud of it want to compete, not in Footlocker, but for their team and they've more than eanred the right to be there by their efforts to represent it.
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\nThey didn't earn anything, and no one is taking anything away from them.
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\nThey're on a team - the coach sets the lineup. If they want to run, they can beat the people who are ahead of them on the team. Not much different than a kid who is on a great football team but can't crack the starting lineup. Or a basketball player who sits behind the blue chip recruit. The rules may seem arbitrary - but all rules of sport are. You can't play more than 5 guys at a time in basketball, etc. Some people play, some don't.
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\nMy point is what is the end point? Just individual sports? Team sports where there are multiple teams? But not head to head matchups? Are we to put all kids by time on the line? What if there's a school with a great top 7, and one or two kids - but not a full "B" team good enough - would those 1-2 kids get to run? Who decides?
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\nI understand your argument - I was one of those kids. My HS (CBA) has had similar "problems" over the years. There have been years where the "B" 4x800 team ran well under 8:00. (At one point early last indoors CBA had the #1 and #3 times in the country in the event)
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\nI was a 4:27 miler as junior in h.s. who never ran a state xc championship race for my h.s. I just wasn't good enough to make the team. I could've run varsity at any other high school in the state, but not at mine. So it was.
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\nThere's no grand injustice. The kids can run invites, dual meets, etc. They can run league meets. You know what my h.s. did\/does? The "B" squad hhandled the dual meets; we ran invites when the varsity rested. Heck, the "B" team even ran - and won - the state xc meet two years ago when the schedule was compressed due to Hurricaine Sandy.","date_added":"Oct 3rd 2014, 1:46am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287143,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"GeorgieTheK","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43639","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/GeorgieTheK.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1073375"},"1134106":{"pb_id":"43639","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1134106","comment_id":"1134106","member_id":"43639","comment":"

<\/a>mpflughoft1, on , said:<\/p>

\n Bottom line, 7 other kids that can't help they live in a certain school district that are just as much part of their team and proud of it want to compete, not in Footlocker, but for their team and they've more than eanred the right to be there by their efforts to represent it.
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\nThey didn't earn anything, and no one is taking anything away from them.
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\nThey're on a team - the coach sets the lineup. If they want to run, they can beat the people who are ahead of them on the team. Not much different than a kid who is on a great football team but can't crack the starting lineup. Or a basketball player who sits behind the blue chip recruit. The rules may seem arbitrary - but all rules of sport are. You can't play more than 5 guys at a time in basketball, etc. Some people play, some don't.
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\nMy point is what is the end point? Just individual sports? Team sports where there are multiple teams? But not head to head matchups? Are we to put all kids by time on the line? What if there's a school with a great top 7, and one or two kids - but not a full "B" team good enough - would those 1-2 kids get to run? Who decides?
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\nI understand your argument - I was one of those kids. My HS (CBA) has had similar "problems" over the years. There have been years where the "B" 4x800 team ran well under 8:00. (At one point early last indoors CBA had the #1 and #3 times in the country in the event)
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\nI was a 4:27 miler as junior in h.s. who never ran a state xc championship race for my h.s. I just wasn't good enough to make the team. I could've run varsity at any other high school in the state, but not at mine. So it was.
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\nThere's no grand injustice. The kids can run invites, dual meets, etc. They can run league meets. You know what my h.s. did\/does? The "B" squad hhandled the dual meets; we ran invites when the varsity rested. Heck, the "B" team even ran - and won - the state xc meet two years ago when the schedule was compressed due to Hurricaine Sandy.","date_added":"Oct 3rd 2014, 1:46am","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287143,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"GeorgieTheK","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43639","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/GeorgieTheK.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1073375"},"1134082":{"pb_id":"43715","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1134082","comment_id":"1134082","member_id":"43715","comment":"Great Oak's JV may be good enough to beat all but about a dozen Varsity teams, but that doesn't mean Great Oak's JV team should compete at the (Varsity) State Championship, or as a team at the (Varsity) National Championship. But that's the great thing about invites and post season meets - there isn't that same limitation, and those kids can still show how good they are even if they aren't one of the top 7 runners from the school (whether in a different division, as unattached runners like they would in college, or at Footlocker or the open race at Nike - though admittedly the National version of the latter, which would be the only non-FLW option for California, was much more interesting back when there was a Kenyan team and some other notable teams participating)","date_added":"Oct 2nd 2014, 11:32pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287143,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/forum\/uploads\/av-43715.jpg","pb_title":"watchout","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/www.runnerspace.com\/profile.php?member_id=43715","pb_wally_id":"1073498"},"1134099":{"pb_id":"67778","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"1134082","pid":"1134099","comment_id":"1134099","member_id":"67778","comment":"I guess I here people keep saying they shouldn't be able to but I have yet to hear a compelling reason why, other than, "that's just the way it should be and always has been", or it is somehow not fair to some other school. Soccer and basketball JV teams were given as examples why it seems silly which I would more lean to track examples where even if a competitor does not place high enough in their league or sectional, etc, there are at-large qualifying times that allow them to go to state because they are just that good and deserve to compete with their equivalent deserving peers. Same thing here, this is a B team that beat Capistrano Valley, Ayala, Mira Costa, Arcadia, Vista Murrietta head to head and was 1 second in team time at Woodbridge from Runnerspace California (all Divisions) ranked #5 Simi Valley and 34 seconds from #4 Buchanan. I would easily also argue though semantics that there are only a handful of teams that could beat Great Oak's B team in the state and not near a dozen. Bottom line, 7 other kids that can't help they live in a certain school district that are just as much part of their team and proud of it want to compete, not in Footlocker, but for their team and they've more than eanred the right to be there by their efforts to represent it.","date_added":"Oct 3rd 2014, 12:28am","nest":1,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287143,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"mpflughoft1","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=67778","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/mpflughoft1.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1481980"},"1134079":{"pb_id":"43639","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1134079","comment_id":"1134079","member_id":"43639","comment":"

<\/a>mpflughoft1, on , said:<\/p>

\nCapistrano Valley is ranked 16th and the Great Oak B team just beat them handily last Saturday at the Dana Hills Invitational. I think the California CIF needs to re-think the limitation of only one team per school to qualify for the CIF championships. The best teams should be allowed to compete and individuals not punished for attending a school too deep to allow them to showcase their deserving talents.
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\nI'm all for getting more kids to run, but this is pretty silly.
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\nWould they have another basketball team play games and qualify for a state tourney? A soccer team?","date_added":"Oct 2nd 2014, 10:53pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287143,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"GeorgieTheK","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=43639","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/GeorgieTheK.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1073375"},"1134080":{"pb_id":"67778","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"1134079","pid":"1134080","comment_id":"1134080","member_id":"67778","comment":"If the JV team was not only a State contender but a national ranking level, I think yes. Basketball and soccer is also a game played by two teams only against each other for that game. Cross country State Championships bring the best teams on the same field at once to see who is better, it is not a tournament of one on one games until you get to a championship game. Regardless, as long as an equivalent size school can put out on the course another team able to beat 98% of the other teams the same size other than their own A team, then it seems more than fair. It is not placing any other team at a disadvantage, it is doing the oppposite by penalizing the program and the kids left at home for being too good.","date_added":"Oct 2nd 2014, 11:25pm","nest":1,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287143,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"mpflughoft1","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=67778","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/mpflughoft1.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1481980"},"1134078":{"pb_id":"67778","pb_type":"members","likes":"0","parent_id":"0","pid":"1134078","comment_id":"1134078","member_id":"67778","comment":"Capistrano Valley is ranked 16th and the Great Oak B team just beat them handily last Saturday at the Dana Hills Invitational. I think the California CIF needs to re-think the limitation of only one team per school to qualify for the CIF championships. The best teams should be allowed to compete and individuals not punished for attending a school too deep to allow them to showcase their deserving talents.","date_added":"Oct 2nd 2014, 10:47pm","nest":0,"liked":false,"member":[],"can_delete":false,"item_id":287143,"item_type":"news","pb_image":"i\/no_avatar.png","pb_title":"mpflughoft1","pb_url":"profile.php?member_id=67778","pb_url_dns":"https:\/\/mpflughoft1.runnerspace.com\/","pb_wally_id":"1481980"}},"last_id":"1134078","url":"comments.php?item_type=news&item_id=287143&item_url=profile.php?member_id=67778"}