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2013

National Championships
Morley Field @ Balboa Park
San Diego, California

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The Foot Locker Cross Country Championships are a series of annual cross country running races held in various regions of the United States to determine the premier cross country runner in various age groups, but mainly serves to find the best prep (high school) cross country athlete in the country. The FLCCC were previously known as the Kinney Cross Country Championships, which was started by Kinney Shoes, a shoe company which prided itself on being "The Great American Shoe Store". Kinney Shoes began the annual tradition in 1979 in Balboa Park, San Diego, California. Finally in 1993, this elite series of cross country races became known as the Foot Locker Cross Country Championships, as it still is today.

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States Competing in the Midwest Regional: Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Wisconsin, and U.S. citizens in Overseas Military Installations.

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2013 Results - Foot Locker Cross Country Championships

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Boys - 5.00 Kilometers
December 14, 2013 - Morley Field - Balboa Park - San Diego, CA
Place Time Bib Name Grade Region School City State
1 15:07 71 Grant Fisher 11 Midwest Grand Blanc H.S. Grand Blanc MI
2 15:10 82 John Dressel 11 West Mt. Spokane H.S. Colbert WA
3 15:19 81 Matthew Maton 11 West Summit H.S. Bend OR
4 15:20 51 Mickey Burke 12 Northeast Rush Henrietta H.S. Henrietta NY
5 15:22 90 Joseph Hardy 12 West Seattle Prepartory H.S. Seattle WA
6 15:22 83 Elijah Armstrong 11 West Pocatello H.S. Pocatello ID
7 15:23 84 Conner Mantz 11 West Sky View H.S. Smithfield UT
8 15:24 88 Blair Hurlock 12 West De La Salle H.S. Tracy CA
9 15:29 61 Aaron Templeton 12 South Hardin Valley Academy Knoxville TN
10 15:30 55 Josef Holt-Andrews 12 Northeast Telstar Regional H.S. Bethel ME
11 15:31 53 Alex Ostberg 11 Northeast Darien H.S. Darien CT
12 15:34 85 Trevor Reinhart 11 West Marin Academy Ross CA
13 15:34 77 Thomas Pollard 11 Midwest Gilbert Junior-Senior H.S. Ames IA
14 15:34 89 Garrett Corcoran 12 West Villa Park H.S. Villa Park CA
15 15:36 54 Liam Mullett 12 Northeast Pingry School Madison NJ
16 15:41 86 Levi Thomet 11 West Kodiak H.S. Kodiak AK
17 15:42 74 Toby Hardwick 12 Midwest Neward H.S. Neward OH
18 15:43 72 Addison DeHaven 12 Midwest Brookings H.S. Brookings SD
19 15:44 56 Daniel Curts 12 Northeast Ellsworth H.S. Ellsworth ME
20 15:47 52 Chris Alvarado 12 Northeast Fairfield College Prep. School Fairfield CT
21 15:49 80 Ryan Robinson 11 Midwest Waterford Mott H.S. West Bloomfield MI
22 15:49 62 Ben Huffman 12 South Providence Day School Waxhaw NC
23 15:49 87 Kramer Morton 12 West Alta H.S. Sandy UT
24 15:50 59 Louis Corgliano 12 Northeast Hammonton H.S. Hammonton NJ
25 15:50 63 Ian Milder 12 South Mount Tabor H.S. Winston Salem NC
26 15:51 60 Ross Wilson 12 Northeast Council Rock North H.S. Wycombe PA
27 15:51 58 Tai Dinger 12 Northeast St. Albans School Washington DC
28 15:54 68 Brent Demarest 12 South Porter-Gaud School Charleston SC
29 15:56 66 Ben Barrett 11 South Norman North H.S. Norman OK
30 15:56 70 Patrick Sheehan 12 South Lake Norman H.S. Mooresville NC
31 15:58 67 Tyler Bennett 12 South Fort Myers H.S. Fort Myers FL
32 15:59 64 Louis Colson 12 South Thomas Edison H.S. Alexandria VA
33 16:00 73 Jesse Reiser 11 Midwest McHenry H.S. McHenry IL
34 16:07 65 Mackenzie Haight 12 South George C Marshall H.S. Vienna VA
35 16:10 79 David Dalton 12 Midwest Greenwood Community H.S. Greenwood IN
36 16:13 57 Scott Meehan 12 Northeast Pope John XXIII Regional H.S. Sparta NJ
37 16:20 76 Patrick Perrier 12 Midwest O'Fallon Township H.S. O'Fallon IL
38 16:32 69 Frank Lara 12 South Strake Jesuit College Prep. Houston TX
39 17:30 78 Noah Kauppila 12 Midwest Marquette H.S. Chesterfield MO
dnf 75 Jackson Bertoli 12 Midwest Terre Haute South Vigo H.S. Terre Haute IN

Place Team Places for Team 
Points Team Results Points
1 West 2 3 2 3 5 6 7 8 12
2 Northeast 5 6 4 10 11 14 17 18 21
3 Midwest 6 4 1 13 15 16 19 27 28
4 South 9 8 9 20 22 23 24 25 26

 

Girls - 5.00 Kilometers
December 14, 2013 - Morley Field - Balboa Park - San Diego, CA
Place Time Bib Name Grade Region School City State
1 17:16 11 Tessa Barrett 12 Northeast Abington Heights H.S. Waverly PA
2 17:26 13 Hannah DeBalsi 10 Northeast Staples H.S. Westport CT
3 17:31 21 Caroline Alcorta 12 South West Springfield H.S. Springfield VA
4 17:35 12 Anoush Shehadeh 11 Northeast Phillips Academy Andover Larchmont NY
5 17:39 47 Anna Maxwell 12 West San Lorenzo Valley H.S. Felton CA
6 17:43 14 Brianna Schwartz 11 Northeast Shaler Area H.S. Pittsburgh PA
7 17:43 43 Lucy Biles 11 West Herriman H.S. Herriman UT
8 17:43 41 Makena Morley 11 West Bigfork H.S. Bigfork MT
9 17:43 32 Stephanie Jenks 10 Midwest Linn-Mar H.S. Aurora IA
10 17:44 34 Taylor Werner 10 Midwest Ste. Genevieve Senior H.S. Bloomsdale MO
11 17:45 22 Millie Paladino 12 South University H.S. Morgantown WV
12 17:46 27 Devin Clark 11 South Smithson Valley H.S. Spring Branch TX
13 17:52 15 Briana Gess 9 Northeast Haddonfield Memorial H.S. Haddonfield NJ
14 17:52 42 Sarah Feeny 12 West Ogden H.S. Ogden UT
15 17:54 44 Samantha Ortega-Hufana 11 West Saugus H.S. Santa Clarita CA
16 18:00 33 Rebekah Topham 11 Midwest Griswold H.S. Griswold IA
17 18:03 31 Kelcy Welch 12 Midwest Carmel H.S. Carmel IN
18 18:04 37 Mailin Struck 11 Midwest Riverside-Brookfield H.S. North Riverside IL
19 18:08 26 Katy Kunc 12 South Lake Braddock Secondary School Burke VA
20 18:08 20 Kirstin Sandreuter 12 Northeast Greely H.S. North Yarmouth ME
21 18:08 25 Hannah Christen 12 South Lake Braddock Secondary School Burke VA
22 18:11 19 Katie Lembo 12 Northeast Penfield H.S. Penfield NY
23 18:12 35 Hannah Long 11 Midwest Eureka H.S. Pacific MO
24 18:13 36 Lauren Brasure 12 Midwest Rockford H.S. Ada MI
25 18:14 24 Gabriella Karas 9 South Martha Layne Collins H.S. Simpsonville KY
26 18:17 39 Rachel Nichwitz 11 Midwest Hamilton Southeastern H.S. Fishers IN
27 18:18 17 Jessica Lawson 9 Northeast Corning Painted Post East H.S. Addison NY
28 18:22 18 Regan Rome 12 Northeast Dallas H.S. Dallas PA
29 18:25 16 Megan Reilly 10 Northeast Warwick Valley H.S. Warwick NY
30 18:27 50 Abigail Hong 12 West Mira Costa H.S. Manhattan Beach CA
31 18:29 38 Kirsten Olling 12 Midwest Breckenridge H.S. Wheeler MI
32 18:35 28 Kathryn Foreman 10 South Landmark Christian School Lithia Springs GA
33 18:35 45 Sara Tsai 11 West South Eugene H.S. Eugene OR
34 18:42 49 Madelaine Criscione 12 West Park City H.S. Park City UT
35 18:43 48 Marlee Mitchell 11 West Bingham H.S. South Jordan UT
36 18:52 46 Mikayla Malaspina 11 West Vallivue H.S. Caldwell ID
37 18:56 30 Karen Xiang 12 South Nease H.S. Ponte Vedra FL
38 19:22 40 Alex Buck 10 Midwest Pendleton Heights H.S. Pendleton IN
39 19:27 29 Molly Breidenbaugh 12 South Trinity Episcopal H.S. Mechanicsville VA
40 23 Natalie Rathjen 12 South Highland Park H.S. Dallas TX

Place Team Places for Team 
Points Team Results Points
1 Northeast 2 6 1 2 4 6 13 20 22
2 West 4 9 5 7 8 14 15 26 28
3 South 6 6 3 11 12 19 21 25 27
4 Midwest 7 0 9 10 16 17 18 23 24

 
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SLVTrack1
what you Posted about Anna Maxwell 3200m 10:24 after Arcadia was Wrong. CCS Championships She Doubled with 2.5 Hour break 4:42 1600m and 10:22 3200m also State 4:50 1600m Trials, 4:47 1600m Finals and Came Back in 10:25 3200m! 100 plus Degree Weather Both Days. After Arcadia She Was Doubling all the Way to State. Very Hard to Do In California, a 1st Place and 3rd Place finish at State in Cali.
Not That Guy
Agreed on the divisions causing too much fragmentation in CA races. It can be hard to gauge performances by strong runners in D4 or D5 races, as they are often soloing their runs, and who knows if they would run faster (or crumble) if they had someone to race against.

As for Shehadeh's fall and recovery - that's the first I'd heard of it; very impressive! Thanks for pointing that out.

Bill Meylan, on , said:

Thanks for the correction on the Stanford Invite divisions ... I wish the California girls could race head-to-head more often than seems possible due to the divisional setup.

The Girls Footlocker race ... In a post-race interview, Anoush Shehadeh (who finished 4th) said she took a "face-plant" and fell back to next-to-last place early in the race ... Watching some video replays of the race on MileSplit, Anoush Shehadeh was indeed gapped behind the field in next-to-last place in the opening 800 meters ... she can be seen to steadily move up throughout the race and finish a very strong 4th ... It was a super effort that deserves some praise!
Bill Meylan

Not That Guy, on , said:

A couple minor clarifications: Maxwell had the fastest time of the day at Stanford, but both she and O'Keeffe won their respective races (quote below implies Maxwell beating O'Keeffe in direct competition, which wasn't the case). At Mt. Sac, O'Keeffe won by 20 seconds over a strong field and essentially solo'd the last two miles, so not sure that her race/effort was much different from Maxwell's similar victory.

In any event, both had fantastic seasons, and it will be interesting to see them compete in track this season. I predict Maxwell has edge at 1600 meters and O'Keeffe is slightly better at 3200.


Thanks for the correction on the Stanford Invite divisions ... I wish the California girls could race head-to-head more often than seems possible due to the divisional setup.

The Girls Footlocker race ... In a post-race interview, Anoush Shehadeh (who finished 4th) said she took a "face-plant" and fell back to next-to-last place early in the race ... Watching some video replays of the race on MileSplit, Anoush Shehadeh was indeed gapped behind the field in next-to-last place in the opening 800 meters ... she can be seen to steadily move up throughout the race and finish a very strong 4th ... It was a super effort that deserves some praise!
Not That Guy
A couple minor clarifications: Maxwell had the fastest time of the day at Stanford, but both she and O'Keeffe won their respective races (quote below implies Maxwell beating O'Keeffe in direct competition, which wasn't the case). At Mt. Sac, O'Keeffe won by 20 seconds over a strong field and essentially solo'd the last two miles, so not sure that her race/effort was much different from Maxwell's similar victory.

In any event, both had fantastic seasons, and it will be interesting to see them compete in track this season. I predict Maxwell has edge at 1600 meters and O'Keeffe is slightly better at 3200.

Bill Meylan, on , said:

I also agree ... Fiona O'Keeffe is a huge talent, so I expect her track PRs will be lowered significantly in the coming seasons.

With respect to cross country, I consider Fiona O'Keeffe and Anna Maxwell to be relatively close in performance levels ... Maxwell did beat O'Keeffe handily at the Stanford Invite in late September (by 16 seconds), but O'Keefe did run 2 seconds faster at the Mt. SAC Invite and 9 seconds faster at the California State Meet ... However, in those races, Anna Maxwell was in different divisions than O'Keeffe and Maxwell won by huge margins with NO competition, while O'Keeffe had good competition to push her in both races ... One CA coach thought I should re-rate Maxwell's State Meet race because Maxwell's Division IV race was run at 1:00pm in the afternoon when it was warmer as compared to the Division I race at 8:30am.

RunSpokane
Thank for the quick reply Watchout and Meylan. I love what you guys do and like you said you two are usually pretty close. That's why it was surprising for me to see NXN so different.

It's interesting to see how both of you approach speed ratings.

Thank you for all you guys do for high school running.
Bill Meylan

RunSpokane, on , said:

Watchout and Meylan,

Why do your ratings for the boys NXN differ by so much? How did each of you choose your 200 mark?


As Watchout notes above, we use somewhat different methods and I think his method is completely valid and appropriate ... In general, we are fairly close in our assessments ... The difference in the NXN Boy's ratings is probably due somewhat to the methods, but also how I view the race as a handicapping assessment ... I approach NXN and Footlocker a bit differently than typical races during the course of a season and look for several potential different factors.

Assessing NXN is compounded by the enormous variability in the speed and conditions of Portland Meadows in December ... The difference in speed over the frozen tundra of 2013 and the swamp of 2012 is over 2 minutes (that's huge) ... and the variability in prior years is all over map ... It's not surprising that different people will have different assessments at times ... So the assessment of NXN is based almost entirely on assessing the runners as (1) individuals and (2) groups of runners.

Graphical evaluation is an important part of my methodology in comparing races ... I use it as one method of deriving a race adjustment ... I derive a separate race adjustment by comparing individual runners and teams to their speed ratings of prior races and then combine the two adjustments to derive the final speed ratings for the race.

I treat NXN a bit differently because a fair of number of runners run poor races at NXN compared to prior races (more so than seasonal races) and I am not forgiving in making that assessment ... It wasn't nearly as bad on the frozen tundra compared to the swamp of 2012, but it's still there ... I go through a process of excluding poor-performing runners and/or teams, and that exclusion process lowers the speed ratings somewhat because the remaining runners don't rate quite as good with the poor-performers removed.

I also go through an iteration process where I remove one or more complete teams from the results and rate those results separately for comparison ... For example, remove Gig Harbor and all teams that finished 12th or lower (teams finishing 2-11 "might" give a decent assessment on the speed assessment, but it requires other iterations).

Doing that, my 2013 NXN Boy's assessment was in-between whole numbers ... I like my race adjustment to be a multiple of three because I use a linear scale where 3 seconds equals 1 speed rating point for 5K races ... So Kai Wilmot became 199.0 rather rather than 200.0 (I am not forgiving at NXN).
watchout

RunSpokane, on , said:

Watchout and Meylan,

Why do your ratings for the boys NXN differ by so much? How did each of you choose your 200 mark?


For my part, it's probably two things:

1. I'm more dependent on what runners ran at NXR and State meets to influence how I view the NXN results (I know Meylan looks at that as well, but I don't think it's the biggest factor in developing his ratings - graphing the race plays a more important role in his system than in mine)

2. I only separate boys and girls ratings when the results suggest there is a notable difference in how fast the races were - and this race, to me, suggested a difference of 4-4.5 seconds at most, which wasn't enough for me to really worry about (that's within what I consider to be the margin of error, as it's only a difference of about 0.5%), especially considering when I looked at the ratings for athletes I kept good track of and saw that they tended to match a bit better (in the top half of each race) with the more combined rating, rather than the separated ratings. Note that the 200.0 marks for my girls ratings and his girls ratings are pretty similar (15:06 vs. 15:07.31) -- so any difference in the girls ratings, beyond 0.4 points, is due to my using a multiplier system rather than a straight +/- system (re: my ratings are 0.7 points higher for Efraimson, so at that level the multiplier vs. +/- system accounted for about a second's worth of difference in the girls ratings; for Courtney Smith, it was about 0.8 points, as it was a minute further from the 200.0 mark).
RunSpokane
Watchout and Meylan,

Why do your ratings for the boys NXN differ by so much? How did each of you choose your 200 mark?
Bill Meylan

watchout, on , said:

I agree: 5:03.75/10:40.17 to 10:13-10:14 would be a HUGE jump if it was completely indicative of where she was last year at her best. A more reasonable jump would be something like 10:20-10:25 to 10:13-10:14.


I also agree ... Fiona O'Keeffe is a huge talent, so I expect her track PRs will be lowered significantly in the coming seasons.

With respect to cross country, I consider Fiona O'Keeffe and Anna Maxwell to be relatively close in performance levels ... Maxwell did beat O'Keeffe handily at the Stanford Invite in late September (by 16 seconds), but O'Keefe did run 2 seconds faster at the Mt. SAC Invite and 9 seconds faster at the California State Meet ... However, in those races, Anna Maxwell was in different divisions than O'Keeffe and Maxwell won by huge margins with NO competition, while O'Keeffe had good competition to push her in both races ... One CA coach thought I should re-rate Maxwell's State Meet race because Maxwell's Division IV race was run at 1:00pm in the afternoon when it was warmer as compared to the Division I race at 8:30am.

Anna Maxwell finally had the opportunity to run against top runners at Footlocker Nationals and she ran very well in finishing 5th ... But Tessa Barrett did beat her by 23 seconds.

I'm still wondering how good Tessa Barrett actually is ... I think Barrett finished Footlocker with something "left in the tank" ... I don't think she knows her actual ability at this point in time, but she's very competitive .... A growing number of people believe she is capable of running competitively in an XC race with the top three from NXN ... Barrett did not displace them from the top of the rankings, but she has certainly made her presence known.

I knew virtually nothing about Tessa Barrett until she popped a huge performance at a PA invitational ... She was on crutches a year ago due to an injury ... she amazingly returned to run some indoor races and finished 4th at Indoor Nationals in the 5000 meters (16:42.99) losing to Wesley Frazier and Erin Finn by only 25 seconds when the National Indoor record was set ... Barrett set track PRs in outdoors at 1600m (4:55.63) and 3200m (10:25.16), and finished 4th in the Penn Relays 3000m (9:40.45) ... So her success in XC is not really that much of a surprise IF you knew who she was.

By comparison, Anna Maxwell has track PRs of 4:43.01 (1600m) and 10:10.51 (3200m) ... That 10:10.51 was run at the Arcadia Invite and her next best time at 3200m is 10:24.29 (nearly the same as Barrett's PR).
watchout

newfan, on , said:

People have been under-estimating O'keeffe all season. She was injured during FL last year and for most of the track season as a freshman. She only gradually came back to run in the final couple of meets to have the experience of the state meet. Her 1600 and 3200 times from last spring tell little about how fast she is. But, we shall see.


I agree: 5:03.75/10:40.17 to 10:13-10:14 would be a HUGE jump if it was completely indicative of where she was last year at her best. A more reasonable jump would be something like 10:20-10:25 to 10:13-10:14.
newfan
People have been under-estimating O'keeffe all season. She was injured during FL last year and for most of the track season as a freshman. She only gradually came back to run in the final couple of meets to have the experience of the state meet. Her 1600 and 3200 times from last spring tell little about how fast she is. But, we shall see.
watchout
Why would you have an issue with my NXN ratings, when they are higher than Meylan's?

A 160 is rare. The fact that 3 girls ran ratings that higher than that is extraordinary. It is All-Time caliber. It's like 3 runners that go sub-10 in the same 3200m race in track, with the leaders around 9:50-9:52... never happened before (closest was Hasay vs. Chetelat in '08, but slightly faster and with a third runner in the mix). So I'm not sure what the problem is with the ratings. They are the three highest ratings ever at NXN, and there have been some very good girls that have raced at NXN.

And yes, I know she is from California. It was a typo when I was quickly transferring data (saw "Davis" for the school, typed UT instead of CA because I didn't look in the parenthesis and didn't look at the runner's name). I fixed that as soon as I saw your first post in this thread.

Do you think O'Keeffe is that much faster than 10:13-10:14 for 3200m? You do realize her PR's are only 5:03.75/10:40.17? And you do realize that the same rating at Woodward would be ~16:54, 5 seconds faster than she ran at state?

As for the rest of California... as you can tell by what I wrote in my "By the Numbers" article reviewing the NXN meet, there were many California runners that had good days at NXN.


That's why I mentioned the difference between my ratings and Meylan's, and why I specifically pointed out what 3200m times would correlate to the ratings. I don't think you have a problem with my ratings for NXN, as much as a misunderstanding of how good those ratings actually are.
MatthewXCountry

watchout, on , said:

maybe I overestimate FLN (a poster on Letsrun said the same thing when I compared Woodward to Balboa), but I have the 200.0 marks at 15:07.31 for NXN and 15:13.83 for FLN.

FYI, for a more understandable comparison, in my estimation a 160 is ~ 10:00 for 3200m and 152.5 is ~ 10:13-10:14

EDIT: If you want another opinion, Meylan just posted his ratings for FLN.

He gave O'Keeffe a 151.63, and Devin Clark (FLN#12) a 151.67.


My beef isn't the estimate of FLN it's the estimate of NXN. You don't have the same amount of data from that course. Each year the course is so different (unlike FLN). Fiona O'Keeffe (from CA not UT) just ran 16:59 at woodward (17:30), Marissa Williams ran 17:04 at woodward (18:01 at NXN and ran 17:41 last year at FLN), Destiny Collins ran a 17:09 at woodward (18:13.1) Robinson 17:16 at woodward (17:51 at NXN), Bethan Nights 17:07 at woodward (18:14 at NXN), Addi Zerrenner 17:17 at woodward (19:07 at NXN), Leigh Moffett 17:24.1 at woodward (18:57 at NXN)

Based on your course rating of NXN, I think you would say that besides Baxter, no CA individual ran even remotely comparable to their woodward performance, which is possible.
watchout

drarcher, on , said:

Not sure how you put Clark at 16th ahead of a bunch of girls who just beat her at NXN where she finished 27? You have her ahead of Anna French who finished well in front of her when they went head to head a week ago at NXN.


Because she ran better at FLN than NXN, and what I posted was the best performances of the two meets combined.
dra

watchout, on , said:

maybe I overestimate FLN (a poster on Letsrun said the same thing when I compared Woodward to Balboa), but I have the 200.0 marks at 15:07.31 for NXN and 15:13.83 for FLN.

FYI, for a more understandable comparison, in my estimation a 160 is ~ 10:00 for 3200m and 152.5 is ~ 10:13-10:14

EDIT: If you want another opinion, Meylan just posted his ratings for FLN.

He gave O'Keeffe a 151.63, and Devin Clark (FLN#12) a 151.67.


Not sure how you put Clark at 16th ahead of a bunch of girls who just beat her at NXN where she finished 27? You have her ahead of Anna French who finished well in front of her when they went head to head a week ago at NXN.
watchout

MatthewXCountry, on , said:

I don't know about that. How are you rating the NXN course this year? The list for the girls seems skewed towards FLN. I think O'Keefe's in 4th at NXN had in that race was equivalent to winning the FLN race this year. Efraimson, Cranny and Baxter are all time greats, that went head to head. Rarely do runners at that level get good competition, and we saw the result. I understand that it's hard to do historical numbers on NXN, because of the wildly different conditions from year to year, so it's almost impossible to do a good statistical comparison.


maybe I overestimate FLN (a poster on Letsrun said the same thing when I compared Woodward to Balboa), but I have the 200.0 marks at 15:07.31 for NXN and 15:13.83 for FLN.

FYI, for a more understandable comparison, in my estimation a 160 is ~ 10:00 for 3200m and 152.5 is ~ 10:13-10:14

EDIT: If you want another opinion, Meylan just posted his ratings for FLN.

He gave O'Keeffe a 151.63, and Devin Clark (FLN#12) a 151.67.
MatthewXCountry

watchout, on , said:

Hardy, Hurlock, Corcoran and Kramer were the only senior qualifiers out of the west. Corcoran and Kramer were two of the last three finishers from the West (#14 and 23).

Strong year out West, and should be again next year!!

By the way, using my NXN ratings from this year and average FLN ratings of the last half decade... here's how my top 25's would shake out if you combined the meets -

Boys =

  • 202.4 Taylor Wilmot WA
  • 202.2 Grant Fisher MI
  • 201.3 Johnathan Dressel WA
  • 199.4 Blake Haney CA
  • 199.4 Tanner Anderson WA
  • 199.1 Cerake Geberkidane CO
  • 199.1 Estevan De La Rosa CA
  • 199.1 Wolfgang Beck WA
  • 198.3 Matthew Maton OR
  • 198.1 Connor McMillan UT
  • 198.0 Mickey Burke NY
  • 197.8 Taylor Caldwell TN
  • 197.8 Alan Yoho CA
  • 197.5 Obsa Ali MN
  • 197.3 Joseph Hardy WA
  • 197.3 Elijah Armstrong ID
  • 197.1 Anthony Russell PA
  • 197.0 Conner Mantz UT
  • 196.7 Blair Hurlock CA
  • 196.5 Logan Carroll WA
  • 195.8 Jesse Reeser IL
  • 195.5 Michael McClemens NJ
  • 195.0 Aaron Templeton TN
  • 194.8 Michael Hall II OH
  • 194.7 Josef Holt-Andrews ME


NXN = 15
FLN = 10

(note: boys ratings based on all times rounded UP to the next second, since that is how NXN recorded their times; girls were all to the tenth of a second)

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Girls =

  • 166.0 Alexa Efraimson WA
  • 164.8 Elise Cranny CO
  • 163.5 Sarah Baxter CA
  • 160.1 Tessa Barrett PA
  • 156.8 Hannah DeBalsi CT
  • 155.0 Caroline Alcorta VA
  • 153.8 Anoush Shehadeh NY
  • 152.5 Anna Maxwell CA
  • 152.5 Fiona O'Keeffe UT
  • 151.5 Taylor Werner MO
  • 151.3 Brianna Schwartz PA
  • 151.3 Lucy Biles UT
  • 151.2 Makena Morley MT
  • 151.1 Stephanie Jenks IA
  • 150.5 Amelia Paladino WV
  • 150.1 Devin Clark TX
  • 149.9 Katie Rainsberger CO
  • 149.3 Lauren Gregory CO
  • 148.4 Anna French MN
  • 148.2 Briana Gess NJ
  • 148.1 Sarah Feeny UT
  • 147.7 Samantha Ortega-Hufana CA
  • 146.3 Ella Donaghu OR
  • 146.2 Courtney Smith PA
  • 145.6 Rebekah Topham IA



NXN = 10
FLN = 16 (Werner made the list twice, though her NXN race was better than FLN)


I don't know about that. How are you rating the NXN course this year? The list for the girls seems skewed towards FLN. I think O'Keefe's in 4th at NXN had in that race was equivalent to winning the FLN race this year. Efraimson, Cranny and Baxter are all time greats, that went head to head. Rarely do runners at that level get good competition, and we saw the result. I understand that it's hard to do historical numbers on NXN, because of the wildly different conditions from year to year, so it's almost impossible to do a good statistical comparison.
DontStopPre

Bsarno1, on , said:

Deena Kastor could have used some support or a spotter. During interview, She asked Hannah DiBalsi about running with the leaders when the Conn. girl was not in the picture came front was until the last mile. Kastor might have confused her with Barrett who showed she is a tough front runner turning back several challengers. The three northeast leaders must have posted the best final mile or 1,000 splits.
Should be some hot running next fall for northeast girls with numbers 2-5 at FL all due back next year. Doubt any are ready to challenge Efraimson..but DiBalsi and Gess should mover closer in the spring. And Shahadeh is a wild card.
Not fair to use Werner has a standard to measure both races. The courses and how the races were run were vastly different.
Would not want to pick no. 1 among boys. Could make strong argument for either. Might go down to head to head in Washington between Dressel and Wilmot. If former had edge than Fischer is No. 1. If not he is no. 2, maybe.
What a difference between NXN and FL...the hills in San Diego really are a factor missing in Portland.
Great year for the Northwest...hope there is an opportunity for Gig Harbor, Dressel, Efraimson to show their stuff nationally in the spring.


For Dressel there will be ... just running a GSL league meet is tough competition.
Bsarno1
Deena Kastor could have used some support or a spotter. During interview, She asked Hannah DiBalsi about running with the leaders when the Conn. girl was not in the picture came front was until the last mile. Kastor might have confused her with Barrett who showed she is a tough front runner turning back several challengers. The three northeast leaders must have posted the best final mile or 1,000 splits.
Should be some hot running next fall for northeast girls with numbers 2-5 at FL all due back next year. Doubt any are ready to challenge Efraimson..but DiBalsi and Gess should mover closer in the spring. And Shahadeh is a wild card.
Not fair to use Werner has a standard to measure both races. The courses and how the races were run were vastly different.
Would not want to pick no. 1 among boys. Could make strong argument for either. Might go down to head to head in Washington between Dressel and Wilmot. If former had edge than Fischer is No. 1. If not he is no. 2, maybe.
What a difference between NXN and FL...the hills in San Diego really are a factor missing in Portland.
Great year for the Northwest...hope there is an opportunity for Gig Harbor, Dressel, Efraimson to show their stuff nationally in the spring.
DontStopPre

RestoringTradition, on , said:

Other than Hardy, I believe all of the high finisher today for the West team are juniors as well.


That's correct, West is the youngest by far. At FL West 1-6 were juniors. 9/10 were seniors from South and NE. 6/10 were seniors from MW.
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RestoringTradition, on , said:

Other than Hardy, I believe all of the high finisher today for the West team are juniors as well.


Hardy, Hurlock, Corcoran and Kramer were the only senior qualifiers out of the west. Corcoran and Kramer were two of the last three finishers from the West (#14 and 23).

Strong year out West, and should be again next year!!

By the way, using my NXN ratings from this year and average FLN ratings of the last half decade... here's how my top 25's would shake out if you combined the meets -

Boys =

  • 202.4 Taylor Wilmot WA
  • 202.2 Grant Fisher MI
  • 201.3 Johnathan Dressel WA
  • 199.4 Blake Haney CA
  • 199.4 Tanner Anderson WA
  • 199.1 Cerake Geberkidane CO
  • 199.1 Estevan De La Rosa CA
  • 199.1 Wolfgang Beck WA
  • 198.3 Matthew Maton OR
  • 198.1 Connor McMillan UT
  • 198.0 Mickey Burke NY
  • 197.8 Taylor Caldwell TN
  • 197.8 Alan Yoho CA
  • 197.5 Obsa Ali MN
  • 197.3 Joseph Hardy WA
  • 197.3 Elijah Armstrong ID
  • 197.1 Anthony Russell PA
  • 197.0 Conner Mantz UT
  • 196.7 Blair Hurlock CA
  • 196.5 Logan Carroll WA
  • 195.8 Jesse Reeser IL
  • 195.5 Michael McClemens NJ
  • 195.0 Aaron Templeton TN
  • 194.8 Michael Hall II OH
  • 194.7 Josef Holt-Andrews ME


NXN = 15
FLN = 10

(note: boys ratings based on all times rounded UP to the next second, since that is how NXN recorded their times; girls were all to the tenth of a second)

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Girls =

  • 166.0 Alexa Efraimson WA
  • 164.8 Elise Cranny CO
  • 163.5 Sarah Baxter CA
  • 160.1 Tessa Barrett PA
  • 156.8 Hannah DeBalsi CT
  • 155.0 Caroline Alcorta VA
  • 153.8 Anoush Shehadeh NY
  • 152.5 Anna Maxwell CA
  • 152.5 Fiona O'Keeffe CA
  • 151.5 Taylor Werner MO (NXN)
  • 151.3 Brianna Schwartz PA
  • 151.3 Lucy Biles UT
  • 151.2 Makena Morley MT
  • 151.1 Stephanie Jenks IA
    +150.9 Taylor Werner MO (FLN)
  • 150.5 Amelia Paladino WV
  • 150.1 Devin Clark TX
  • 149.9 Katie Rainsberger CO
  • 149.3 Lauren Gregory CO
  • 148.4 Anna French MN
  • 148.2 Briana Gess NJ
  • 148.1 Sarah Feeny UT
  • 147.7 Samantha Ortega-Hufana CA
  • 146.3 Ella Donaghu OR
  • 146.2 Courtney Smith PA
  • 145.6 Rebekah Topham IA



NXN = 10
FLN = 16 (Werner made the list twice, though her NXN race was slightly better than FLN)
RestoringTradition
Other than Hardy, I believe all of the high finisher today for the West team are juniors as well.
DontStopPre
It was an exciting finish! Much different than Wilmot running away from the field at NXN, this was a classic back and forth duel between Dressel and Fisher with Fisher getting the win. VERY tactical and a number of "polite" elbows thrown here and there lol.

EDIT: maybe 2014 will be the year of the double Spokane National Champions ... Tanner Anderson at NXN and Dressel at FL (of course the competition will be fierce, Fisher is also a Junior in the senior heavy FL field).
watchout

DontStopPre, on , said:

Wow so close to ANOTHER national champion from Spokane. So close. Great job Johnny Dressel, 2nd place is incredible.


Great race!

Washington boys with 5 different top-6 finishers at nationals this year! And Oregon with another!

EDIT: Also, including Efraimson, that makes 4 different top-3 finishers at nationals!
DontStopPre
Wow so close to ANOTHER national champion from Spokane. So close. Great job Johnny Dressel, 2nd place is incredible.
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